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Beschreibung
Part two of the YourDoomReview continues in the hand re-player format with a hand history review from user "AskMyDiaRy". YourDoom goes through the spots offering his advice and thoughts about the plays made, giving analysis on the actions of the opponents.
#1
JoannaSurf, 07.08.12 15:59
it would be better if you showed the hand at the very end#2
YourDoomPoker, 07.08.12 16:59
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#3
MisterB, 07.08.12 18:48
AKs: He even has nutblockers which weakens heros river barreling range quite a bit. Fancy play syndrom? I get his reasoning for it, but hero was a poor target on this runout because the king smacks so much of his bluff-barreling and he will not fold tpgk or better often enough vs pot-odds after raise, hence he will c/call most his sd value as you stated. A case of taking his advantages into the wrong context and turning them into disadvantage.KQs: Flop-raising is debatable. Villain will continuationbet this flop with his entire range, we know he only has some draw-equity in his polarized 3betting range which rarely are nut-draws and we block a sizeable chunk of hands that would have tptk or better here, as the nutdraw obv crushes us already. I would be more happy if the ace of clubs would be on the flop to put his range in a more awkward spot with having nearly no nut-draws like small scs only.
So his 3betting-range on this flop should pretty much crush our range and we can fold easily, while his calling range should be very small and will mostly check the turn to us and we can evaluate about the freecard or go for 3barrels ourself putting a ton of pressure against his weak 1pair showdownvalue. He won't lead the turn very often, so the flop-raise will give us control against a range that didn't want to fastplay the flop, that should be in our favor too. If he has some King highs in his polarized bottom mixed in even better, because those will certainly continue if he thinks we are capable of bluffraising this flop-texture in this scenario.
In the end it is a question if you have a merged raising range here fitting your gameplan and your level of agression ip, or if you raise polarized against villain here.
Having a large enough raising-range seems to be mandatory because villain is not aggressive enough in his barreling tendencies to call down comfortably with thin showdownvalue we hit on the flop, but is aggressive enough to make naked floats -ev. So simply said villain can be exploited the best on the flop to avoid getting into tough spots on turn and river.
#4
Paf4488, 08.08.12 00:39
Last hand:Yes, opponents calling range on the river is very narrow but on the other hand raising range is also super narrow. He almost never has two pair or better. Besides heros is repping only sets and kcxc and bluffs so it is good spot to villain ship with his busted draws.
#5
kokos99sd, 08.08.12 12:07
Q6s what about overbet shove OTR? i think he has almost no FH in his range and he is gonna c/c some normal bet with his value range OTR but fold to an overbet.#6
kokos99sd, 08.08.12 12:27
AKs: given that this flop is so wet i dont think he is gonna ever slowplay a set on such board since he can represent so many draws.. :)The second point is that i dont see many draws in his range since we are the UTG and he is a Tight aggresive reg... in addition, its very likely that he is gonna play his draws aggresively right on the flop.
This leads me to the conclusion that bet/call is a perfect line since he doesnt represent any value hand and his range tend to check behind on that river almost every time.
Afterall this is a great tripple barrel bluff spot which leads me to believe that he is willing to call us very light OTR
#7
grrgrrbla, 08.08.12 12:50
Last Hand:I really don't see why check/calling is more profitable than betting. And to back it up i will show you why:
given a preflop-callingrange of around 11% COvsEP, consisting of:
JJ-22,AQs-ATs,KJs+,QJs,JTs,T9s,98s,AQo-AJo,KQo,QJo
Villain only has the following busted draws on the River:
- QcJc (given that he doesn't raise them on the flop)
- AsQs,AsTs,AsJs which he did call the flop with and not bluffraise with, so in reality we can discount many of those combos.
those are #4 which he would probably bet on the river, beside KsQs,KsJs is probably valuebetting and Ts9s and Tc9c is probably checking back, so we have a total of #6 which do bet when we check
on the other hand if we bet he could possibly call with TT/JJ/Ts9s/Tc9c which are #14. There are a ton of draws which bust, which i would bluff with on the River so i can EASILY valuebet TPTK. I don't want to count here, but it is obvious that we have enough Air we can be bluffing with to make him want to call with his bluffcatchers.
Secondly we are almost never beat. Villain has to call the flop and turn with sets/straights to have us beat, which he could do but still those are only #4 JTs and #9 sets, giving us a total of #13. If we discount those which is more realistic i would guess he shows up with maybe #3-#5 that beat us.
So: his Bettingrange when checked to is way smaller than his callingrange and we are far ahead of his likely callingrange.
I mean if you don't bet tptk on this river what does your valuebettingrange consist of? sets? i mean i can easily calldown any pair against you, given there are soooo many busted draws you could be bluffing with and you are valuebetting #12 of sets and maybe #6 AA??
#8
grrgrrbla, 08.08.12 12:52
I mean if ppl are checking TPTK in this spot my life is very easy in villains shoes, so please only valuebet sets :D#9
grrgrrbla, 08.08.12 12:53
besides: very good video, i really love the way you are explaining everything: easy to follow, clear explanations and besides you always use equilab (except in the last hand...)#10
MisterB, 08.08.12 15:57
it is pretty tricky to bet/call with 2.95:1 pottodds vs villains raising-range. you must have a very solid read that you will be good often enough to call it off. if you bet bigger you commit yourself vs a raising-range that is more or less the nuts due to minimal foldequity for bluffraising and only becomes profitable if villain is a station. but then you can really start thinking about bombing/overbetting to exploit this instead which would make the spot a lot more comfortable.#11
johnnyberetta, 09.08.12 09:59
sorry my english is not that good. i dont get this: first hand you are always talkin about his 16% range. preflop, on the flop and on the turn. preflop ok, but on the flop he is only cbetting 57% and on the turn only 45% out of this 57% so dont you have to narrow his range?with his stats i dont think he is cbetting 100% out of his 16% preflop range on this board. and on the turn its even less or am i wrong.
thank you
#12
YourDoomPoker, 14.08.12 21:35
#4Yes, it may be a good spot for the villain to ship this river w busted draws, depending on how he sees our Hero in this hand, but like I said, shipping here w TT is horrible.
#13
YourDoomPoker, 14.08.12 21:35
#5In general, if we are assigning our opponent a very strong range (the note was "he has to have something good here") it makes no sense to run a big bluff vs. that range. And also since he's "not very aggressive" he could easily be x-calling an overshove here with a pretty wide value range.
So in other words, an overshove here is NOT worth the risk, given the possible reward.
#14
YourDoomPoker, 14.08.12 21:36
#6Sure, you would raise a set and most people will raise flop or turn w a set here, but that doesn't mean that he will also. Not everyone is going to think and play just like you :)
I don't really agree that he is likely to play his draws aggressively here. I could easily play ATs, T9s, 76s, QTs, TT, 66 the same way on the flop and turn. If he's in position with a draw, why negate his positional advantage with a raise vs. a strong UTG range?
#15
YourDoomPoker, 14.08.12 21:36
#7I think there's a lot more hands that the villain can call flop and turn w here if he sees Hero as an aggressive double barreler than just what you assume.
The value range that we can get 3 streets from here, that you list, is only 1.06% of starting hands. So if he's flatting 11% here as you suggest, we can only get value from a river bet less than 1 out of every 10 times we're in this spot. (and in this particular hand he actually DID have one of those hands, but turned it into a bluff anyway)
I think it's more likely he just folds a missed draw to our river bet, whereas if we check, he's much more likely to bluff and we can then pick off that bluff w our top pair holding.
You say we are "almost never beat" but in your given range, sets, 2pr and JTs (all of which have us beat) accounts for 2.26% of starting hands.
#16
YourDoomPoker, 14.08.12 21:36
#9 Thanks! :D#17
YourDoomPoker, 14.08.12 21:36
#11Yes, he only c-bets 57% overall in a 3-bet pot, but that accounts for all board textures. I'm assuming he's c-betting this A high flop close to 100% of the time (that's what I would do.)
But yes, you are correct that when he bets this turn, even though I think he'll bet this turn much more than his stats indicate, he does not have his full 16% 3-betting range at this point. So instead of saying that we expect to be beat 1 out of 6 or 1 out of 7 times on this turn, it's actually probably closer to 1 out of 4, but given our pot odds, and positional advantage in the hand, it's still a pretty easy continue....which is the main point.
#18
sandercvo, 21.08.12 13:43
In generall you think a little bit to simple about hand ranges I.M.O. You use equilab to let us see how small portion of the preflop raise range wil have us beat. Nice information to have, but you have to narrow the ranges when they bet are Raise postflop.For example the 99 hand: You say that the huge fish only beat us 13% of the time. But you forget to mention that he is not donkbetting with his whole preflop range. I`am sure when the huge donk has totally nothing he will not donk out. So you have to narrow his range.
#19
YourDoomPoker, 29.08.12 21:24
#18Your statement is correct for the most part, but in this example, we can only narrow his range if he is only donkbetting w a specific subset of hands. For example if he was only donkbetting w the top or bottom 50% of hands in his range, then yes, we could narrow his range from 13% to 6.5%.
But this fish, in this case, is more likely just "clicking buttons." If he's betting out any % of the time with a sample of his entire range (sometimes good, medium and bad holdings), then we should not narrow his range at all as his entire range is still represented.
#20
owi85, 08.10.12 22:12
i agree with #18 entirely. hand 1 is the perfect example of this. just because we assume that villain is 3b ~16% in this given scenario we can't just assign him that entire 16% range of hands after he has double barreled on this board. we have absolutely no idea what this player does with hands that you mention like weaker aces, AcX etc. saying "we are only beat here 2.4% of the time" or whatever it was is only correct if we assume that he double barrels his entire preflop 3b range of 16% which we absolutely cant.#21
MatejM47, 11.10.12 17:11
#14 Im not sure when was the last time you played nl100 and things might be different up at nl2k but iould estimate that the wast majority of nl100 players will raise their set or better 95%+ of the time by the turn on this wet board. People just hate to have the nuts on the turn and pretty much a bad bluff catcher on the river when 50% of the deck is going to complete a flush/4card strait/paired board.The only thing i can see him slowplaying is JTss/cc.
I would be shocked to see him showing up with a set on the river after this action.
Another problem i see with your line is that from villain prospective your going to be c/c here a lot since you put him on a busted draw and i often see players checking back QT with no showdown value after this action thinking your bluffcatching here a lot.
They can also put you on a busted draw and call you down with any pair that they got to the river with. Obv showing TT here as a bluff is just retarded especially since hero's range is not caped and he has every nutty hand in his range.
Personally my line would depend on villains river agg and his wtsd and if he has high AF then i'd c/c and if he has high wtsd then i'd bet.
#22
ItsAValueBluff, 22.10.12 14:54
I think heros line is fine here since the reg is relatively aggro (AcKc hand).I'd prefer to bet around half pot on the river though to actually make it look weaker.
I don't know what the coach is saying, no reg is gonna slowplay a set on this board with all the draws out there and JT will rarely be slowplayed and only JTs is in his range so basically the only hands that could valueshove against you on the river are:
slowplayed 89s: 2 combos
87s: 3 combos
slowplayed TJs: 4 combos
And villian will still fastplay TJs and 89s some of the time so against an aggro reg the call is rly just standard since he will be bluffing with missed clubdraws/hands like 9T,8T,66 a lot of the time.
And btw you use equilab completly wrong. "I think he 3bets 16% vs CO in this spot so im just gonna expect this whole range to double barrel against me in a spot where my holdings will be AQ,AJ,KQ,KJ most of the time. Basically you think he will be braindead enough to just barrel it off where he has very little foldequity if you call the turn with AJ+. Since he is a reg he will imo rarely barell this turn as a bluff (one card clubs arent possible as well). Depending on the agression frequencys of the reg call turn fold river is fine imo or just fold turn if he is nitty.