[Arbeits-Thread] Handbewertungen MSS Basic FR 14.04.2011

    • Fliegus123
      Fliegus123
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      Dabei seit: 20.07.2006 Beiträge: 603
      Hallo zusammen!

      Stellt hier bitte Hände für das Coaching am Donnerstag ein! Die Hände können zu jedem MSS-relevanten Thema sein. Da es sich um ein Basic-Coaching handelt, werden Stats zu den Gegnern nicht mit einbezogen und sind entsprechend auch beim Einstellen der Hand nicht erforderlich.

      Limitgrenzen für die Hände: NL2 bis Nl10.

      Desweiteren stellt bitte eine kurze (cliffnote-artige) Schilderung eurer eigenen Gedanken anbei, auf die Fallout und ich dann eingehen können. Ferner wäre es gut, wenn ihr zu den Händen konkret Fragen formuliert, die dann als Analyseziel dienen können.

      Wir freuen uns auf spannende Spots!

      P.S.: Im HB-Coaching können wir dann auch erstmals etwas artikelferner diskutieren und fortgeschrittene Spielzüge einbauen und erörtern. Demnach seien alle angehalten, denen der bisherige Kursverlauf nicht zu viel gebracht hat, diese Chance zu ergreifen.
  • 17 Antworten
    • Fliegus123
      Fliegus123
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      Dabei seit: 20.07.2006 Beiträge: 603
      Push! Leute, nutzt die Chance.
    • ctstc
      ctstc
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      Dabei seit: 09.11.2009 Beiträge: 6.280
      gut, dann stell ich einfach mal ein paar Hände rein:

      PokerStars - $0.05 NL (9 max) - Holdem - 8 players
      Hand converted by PokerTracker 3

      BB: $4.91
      UTG: $0.71
      Hero (UTG+1): $2.25
      MP: $3.57
      MP+1: $4.27
      CO: $8.00
      BTN: $1.70
      SB: $14.24

      SB posts SB $0.02, BB posts BB $0.05

      Pre Flop: ($0.07) Hero has K:club: K:heart:

      UTG calls $0.05, Hero raises to $0.20, fold, fold, CO calls $0.20, fold, fold, BB calls $0.15, UTG calls $0.15

      Flop: ($0.82, 4 players) 8:club: A:heart: 7:diamond:
      BB checks, UTG checks, Hero checks, CO checks

      Turn: ($0.82, 4 players) 8:spade:
      BB checks, UTG bets $0.20, fold, fold, BB calls $0.20

      River: ($1.22, 2 players) 5:spade:
      BB checks, UTG checks

      BB shows 5:club: 6:club: (Two Pair, Eights and Fives) (PreFlop 40%, Flop 50%, Turn 37%)
      UTG mucks Q:club: T:heart: (One Pair, Eights) (PreFlop 60%, Flop 50%, Turn 63%)
      BB wins $1.17


      Nachdem ich preflop 3 Caller bekommen hab, dachte ich am Flop mit A high Board, dass min. einer von denen ein A halten wird, und hab deshalb keine Contibet gemacht, und dann c/f gespielt.


      PokerStars - $0.05 NL (9 max) - Holdem - 9 players
      Hand converted by PokerTracker 3

      Hero (CO): $1.85
      BTN: $3.54
      SB: $5.91
      BB: $2.05
      UTG: $2.19
      UTG+1: $12.50
      MP: $5.50
      MP+1: $2.33
      LP: $11.05

      SB posts SB $0.02, BB posts BB $0.05

      Pre Flop: ($0.07) Hero has A:club: K:spade:

      fold, fold, MP raises to $0.15, fold, fold, Hero raises to $0.45, fold, fold, fold, MP calls $0.30

      Flop: ($0.97, 2 players) 8:heart: Q:club: A:heart:
      MP bets $0.75, Hero raises to $1.40 and is all-in, MP calls $0.65

      Turn: ($3.77, 2 players) J:diamond:

      River: ($3.77, 2 players) 6:club:

      MP shows Q:diamond: Q:spade: (Three of a Kind, Queens) (PreFlop 57%, Flop 97%, Turn 91%)
      Hero mucks A:club: K:spade: (One Pair, Aces) (PreFlop 43%, Flop 3%, Turn 9%)
      MP wins $3.59


      Hab am Flop auf die Donk gepusht, weil ich ihn noch viel schlechteres halten gesehen habe wie schlechtere Asse, oder Pocketpaare, die mich ausbezahlen.
    • Gizerai
      Gizerai
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      Dabei seit: 19.11.2009 Beiträge: 109
      Known players:
      Position:
      Stack
      MP1:
      $20,93
      Hero:
      $3,90

      0,05/0,1 No-Limit Hold'em (9 handed)
      Hand recorder used for this poker hand: Elephant 0.69 by www.pokerstrategy.com.

      Preflop: Hero is CO with A:spade: , A:diamond:
      2 folds, MP1 calls $0,10, 2 folds, Hero raises to $0,40, 3 folds, MP1 calls $0,30.

      Flop: ($0,95) J:club: , 8:club: , Q:club: (2 players)
      MP1 bets $0,10, Hero raises to $0,60, MP1 calls $0,50.

      Turn: ($2,15) 5:club: (2 players)
      MP1 bets $5,20, Hero folds, MP1 gets uncalled bet back.

      Final Pot: $2,15

      Trotz overpair, habe ich den Gener auf nen Flush gesetzt und aufgegben. War das zu weak ?
    • Gizerai
      Gizerai
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      Dabei seit: 19.11.2009 Beiträge: 109
      Known players:
      Position:
      Stack
      SB:
      $8,55
      Hero:
      $3,80
      UTG1:
      $4,46
      MP2:
      $14,09
      BU:
      $7,83

      0,05/0,1 No-Limit Hold'em (9 handed)
      Hand recorder used for this poker hand: Elephant 0.69 by www.pokerstrategy.com.

      Preflop: Hero is BB with 4:spade: , 5:spade:
      UTG1 calls $0,10, 2 folds, MP2 calls $0,10, 2 folds, BU calls $0,10, SB calls $0,05, Hero checks.

      Flop: ($0,50) 3:club: , 2:diamond: , 5:heart: (5 players)
      SB checks, Hero bets $0,30, 2 folds, BU calls $0,30, SB calls $0,30.

      Turn: ($1,40) 9:club: (3 players)
      SB checks, Hero checks, BU checks.

      River: ($1,40) 6:diamond: (3 players)
      SB bets $1,40, Hero raises to $3,40 (All-In), BU folds, SB calls $2,00.

      Final Pot: $8,20

      Hier habe ich nach einer Faustregel von Paxis mein Toppair mit Straightdraw angespielt. Die Neun am Turn hat zwar an meinen outs nichts geändert, hat mir aber etwas den Wind aus den Segeln genommen.
      War der move zu riskant ?
    • Gizerai
      Gizerai
      Bronze
      Dabei seit: 19.11.2009 Beiträge: 109
      Known players:
      Position:
      Stack
      Hero:
      $4,41
      MP3:
      $7,68

      0,05/0,1 No-Limit Hold'em (9 handed)
      Hand recorder used for this poker hand: Elephant 0.69 by www.pokerstrategy.com.

      Preflop: Hero is SB with K:heart: , A:diamond:
      4 folds, MP3 calls $0,10, 2 folds, Hero raises to $0,40, BB folds, MP3 calls $0,30.

      Flop: ($0,90) J:diamond: , A:club: , 6:heart: (2 players)
      Hero bets $0,50, MP3 calls $0,50.

      Turn: ($1,90) 9:diamond: (2 players)
      Hero bets $1,10, MP3 raises to $2,20, Hero raises to $3,51 (All-In), MP3 calls $1,31.

      River: ($8,92) 5:spade: (1 players)


      Final Pot: $8,92

      Hier bin ich in mein SSS Spiel zurückgefallen und acht mir. hast do Toppair Top Kicker ... ship it.
    • Gizerai
      Gizerai
      Bronze
      Dabei seit: 19.11.2009 Beiträge: 109
      Known players:
      Position:
      Stack
      UTG1:
      $7,90
      MP1:
      $9,23
      Hero:
      $3,85

      0,05/0,1 No-Limit Hold'em (9 handed)
      Hand recorder used for this poker hand: Elephant 0.69 by www.pokerstrategy.com.

      Preflop: Hero is MP2 with A:spade: , J:spade:
      UTG1 raises to $0,20, UTG2 folds, MP1 raises to $0,30, Hero raises to $1,10, 5 folds, UTG1 calls $0,90, MP1 calls $0,80.

      Flop: ($3,45) 8:spade: , J:diamond: , 6:club: (3 players)
      UTG1 checks, MP1 checks, Hero bets $2,75 (All-In), UTG1 folds, MP1 calls $2,75.

      Turn: ($8,95) 5:spade:
      River: ($8,95) 2:heart: (1 players)


      Final Pot: $8,95
    • Gizerai
      Gizerai
      Bronze
      Dabei seit: 19.11.2009 Beiträge: 109
      Known players:
      Position:
      Stack
      BB:
      $4,66
      Hero:
      $4,35

      0,05/0,1 No-Limit Hold'em (9 handed)
      Hand recorder used for this poker hand: Elephant 0.69 by www.pokerstrategy.com.

      Preflop: Hero is MP3 with Q:heart: , A:spade:
      4 folds, Hero raises to $0,30, 3 folds, BB calls $0,20.

      Flop: ($0,65) 3:diamond: , K:diamond: , 8:heart: (2 players)
      BB checks, Hero bets $0,40, BB calls $0,40.

      Turn: ($1,45) 4:heart: (2 players)
      BB checks, Hero checks.

      River: ($1,45) A:club: (2 players)
      BB bets $0,90, Hero raises to $3,65 (All-In), BB calls $2,75.

      Final Pot: $8,75
    • Gizerai
      Gizerai
      Bronze
      Dabei seit: 19.11.2009 Beiträge: 109
      Known players:
      Position:
      Stack
      SB:
      $29,45
      MP1:
      $9,18
      Hero:
      $4,05

      0,05/0,1 No-Limit Hold'em (9 handed)
      Hand recorder used for this poker hand: Elephant 0.69 by www.pokerstrategy.com.

      Preflop: Hero is MP2 with J:spade: , J:heart:
      2 folds, MP1 raises to $0,30, Hero raises to $0,90, 3 folds, SB calls $0,85, 2 folds.

      Flop: ($2,20) T:diamond: , 7:diamond: , J:club: (2 players)
      SB checks, Hero bets $1,00, SB raises to $2,10, Hero raises to $3,15 (All-In), SB calls $1,05.

      Turn: ($8,50) 9:diamond:
      River: ($8,50) K:diamond: (1 players)


      Final Pot: $8,50
    • Gizerai
      Gizerai
      Bronze
      Dabei seit: 19.11.2009 Beiträge: 109
      Known players:
      Position:
      Stack
      Hero:
      $4,47
      MP1:
      $14,73

      0,05/0,1 No-Limit Hold'em (9 handed)
      Hand recorder used for this poker hand: Elephant 0.69 by www.pokerstrategy.com.

      Preflop: Hero is UTG1 with A:heart: , K:diamond:
      Hero raises to $0,30, UTG2 folds, MP1 calls $0,30, 6 folds.

      Flop: ($0,75) 4:diamond: , J:heart: , Q:heart: (2 players)
      Hero bets $0,40, MP1 calls $0,40.

      Turn: ($1,55) K:club: (2 players)
      Hero bets $0,90, MP1 calls $0,90.

      River: ($3,35) Q:spade: (2 players)
      Hero bets $2,87 (All-In), MP1 calls $2,87.

      Final Pot: $9,09
    • Gizerai
      Gizerai
      Bronze
      Dabei seit: 19.11.2009 Beiträge: 109
      Known players:
      Position:
      Stack
      Hero:
      $4,66
      UTG1:
      $3,35
      MP1:
      $12,20

      0,05/0,1 No-Limit Hold'em (9 handed)
      Hand recorder used for this poker hand: Elephant 0.69 by www.pokerstrategy.com.

      Preflop: Hero is BB with A:diamond: , A:club:
      UTG1 raises to $0,30, UTG2 folds, MP1 calls $0,30, 5 folds, Hero raises to $1,20, UTG1 folds, MP1 calls $0,90.

      Flop: ($2,75) 2:heart: , 6:club: , T:spade: (2 players)
      Hero bets $1,60, MP1 calls $1,60.

      Turn: ($5,95) 5:spade: (2 players)
      Hero bets $1,86 (All-In), MP1 calls $1,86.

      River: ($9,67) 4:spade: (1 players)


      Final Pot: $9,67
    • Gizerai
      Gizerai
      Bronze
      Dabei seit: 19.11.2009 Beiträge: 109
      Known players:
      Position:
      Stack
      SB:
      $6,51
      Hero:
      $3,85
      MP3:
      $7,92

      0,05/0,1 No-Limit Hold'em (9 handed)
      Hand recorder used for this poker hand: Elephant 0.69 by www.pokerstrategy.com.

      Preflop: Hero is MP2 with K:spade: , A:spade:
      3 folds, Hero raises to $0,30, MP3 calls $0,30, 2 folds, SB calls $0,25, BB folds.

      Flop: ($1,00) A:heart: , 8:spade: , K:heart: (3 players)
      SB bets $0,30, Hero raises to $0,60, MP3 folds, SB calls $0,30.

      Turn: ($2,20) 6:diamond: (2 players)
      SB checks, Hero bets $2,95 (All-In), SB calls $2,95.

      River: ($8,10) 6:heart: (1 players)


      Final Pot: $8,10
    • Gizerai
      Gizerai
      Bronze
      Dabei seit: 19.11.2009 Beiträge: 109
      Known players:
      Position:
      Stack
      BB:
      $12,33
      Hero:
      $3,80

      0,05/0,1 No-Limit Hold'em (9 handed)
      Hand recorder used for this poker hand: Elephant 0.69 by www.pokerstrategy.com.

      Preflop: Hero is MP3 with K:spade: , K:diamond:
      4 folds, Hero raises to $0,30, 3 folds, BB calls $0,20.

      Flop: ($0,65) 4:heart: , 6:heart: , Q:club: (2 players)
      BB checks, Hero bets $0,40, BB calls $0,40.

      Turn: ($1,45) 5:heart: (2 players)
      BB checks, Hero bets $0,80, BB calls $0,80.

      River: ($3,05) 3:spade: (2 players)
      BB checks, Hero checks.

      Final Pot: $3,05
    • Gizerai
      Gizerai
      Bronze
      Dabei seit: 19.11.2009 Beiträge: 109
      Known players:
      Position:
      Stack
      BB:
      $8,00
      CO:
      $9,65
      Hero:
      $4,10

      0,05/0,1 No-Limit Hold'em (9 handed)
      Hand recorder used for this poker hand: Elephant 0.69 by www.pokerstrategy.com.

      Preflop: Hero is BU with A:diamond: , Q:heart:
      5 folds, CO raises to $0,40, Hero raises to $1,20, SB folds, BB calls $1,10, CO calls $0,80.

      Flop: ($3,65) 7:heart: , 5:club: , 2:club: (3 players)
      BB checks, CO checks, Hero checks.

      Turn: ($3,65) A:spade: (3 players)
      BB checks, CO checks, Hero bets $2,90 (All-In), BB folds, CO calls $2,90.

      River: ($9,45) 7:club: (1 players)


      Final Pot: $9,45
    • Gizerai
      Gizerai
      Bronze
      Dabei seit: 19.11.2009 Beiträge: 109
      Known players:
      Position:
      Stack
      MP1:
      $8,56
      MP2:
      $12,31
      Hero:
      $4,97

      0,05/0,1 No-Limit Hold'em (9 handed)
      Hand recorder used for this poker hand: Elephant 0.69 by www.pokerstrategy.com.

      Preflop: Hero is CO with Q:diamond: , Q:club:
      2 folds, MP1 calls $0,10, MP2 raises to $0,40, MP3 folds, Hero raises to $1,20, 4 folds, MP2 calls $0,80.

      Flop: ($2,65) 9:heart: , 4:spade: , 7:heart: (2 players)
      MP2 checks, Hero bets $3,77 (All-In), MP2 calls $3,77.

      Turn: ($10,19) 8:diamond:
      River: ($10,19) Q:spade: (1 players)


      Final Pot: $10,19
    • Gizerai
      Gizerai
      Bronze
      Dabei seit: 19.11.2009 Beiträge: 109
      Known players:
      Position:
      Stack
      Hero:
      $7,76
      UTG2:
      $6,85

      0,05/0,1 No-Limit Hold'em (9 handed)
      Hand recorder used for this poker hand: Elephant 0.69 by www.pokerstrategy.com.

      Preflop: Hero is SB with A:heart: , J:heart:
      UTG1 folds, UTG2 raises to $0,60, 5 folds, Hero raises to $1,20, BB folds, UTG2 calls $0,60.

      Flop: ($2,50) K:diamond: , 6:heart: , A:club: (2 players)
      Hero bets $1,60, UTG2 raises to $3,40, Hero raises to $6,56 (All-In), UTG2 folds, Hero gets uncalled bet back.

      Final Pot: $9,30
    • Gizerai
      Gizerai
      Bronze
      Dabei seit: 19.11.2009 Beiträge: 109
      Known players:
      Position:
      Stack
      SB:
      $3,75
      Hero:
      $4,05
      MP3:
      $10,10

      0,05/0,1 No-Limit Hold'em (9 handed)
      Hand recorder used for this poker hand: Elephant 0.69 by www.pokerstrategy.com.

      Preflop: Hero is MP2 with 9:heart: , 9:diamond:
      3 folds, Hero raises to $0,30, MP3 calls $0,30, 2 folds, SB calls $0,25, BB folds.

      Flop: ($1,00) 8:club: , 9:club: , K:club: (3 players)
      SB checks, Hero bets $0,50, MP3 calls $0,50, SB calls $0,50.

      Turn: ($2,50) Q:spade: (3 players)
      SB bets $2,50, Hero raises to $3,25 (All-In), MP3 calls $3,25, SB calls $0,45 (All-In).

      River: ($11,95) K:diamond: (1 players)


      Final Pot: $11,95
    • Gizerai
      Gizerai
      Bronze
      Dabei seit: 19.11.2009 Beiträge: 109
      Known players:
      Position:
      Stack
      Hero:
      $3,70
      BU:
      $10,05

      0,05/0,1 No-Limit Hold'em (9 handed)
      Hand recorder used for this poker hand: Elephant 0.69 by www.pokerstrategy.com.

      Preflop: Hero is CO with K:club: , A:club:
      5 folds, Hero raises to $0,30, BU raises to $0,60, 2 folds, Hero raises to $1,80, BU raises to $10,05 (All-In), Hero calls $1,90 (All-In), BU gets uncalled bet back.

      Flop: ($7,55) 6:club: , 5:spade: , 3:spade:
      Turn: ($7,55) 4:heart:
      River: ($7,55) Q:heart: (1 players)


      Final Pot: $7,55

      Nachdem mein First in mit einem minreraise beantwortet wurde, dacht ich mir schon, dass da jemand AA,KK oder QQ hält. Deshalb habe ich erst auch auf das 3fach des minraise als 4-bet reingestellt. Nachdem ich All-in gestellt wurde, habe ich nach Strategie gecalled. Ihr Dürft mal raten was er hatte.