Living in Vienna

    • Swish29
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      Dabei seit: 06.04.2009 Beiträge: 263
      Hallo,

      I will write this post in English because I assume that most Germans have a better English than my German. Though if you want to replay in German that's fine, I would probably understand :)

      I would like to live in a country where you can access all rooms (.eu, .fr, .com), and where poker is not taxed. I heard many times that it's a grey area in Germany, so it's not an option for me. How is Austria?

      Do people have to pay taxes over poker winnings?
      Can they access virtually all rooms? (of course there won't be access to .it/.es rooms/other weird stuff, but how is the rest?)
      About Vienna, what would be the cost of living of a dude that cooks healthy/organic stuff for himself, and that doesn't go out to buy bottles etc.? What is the price range of a 2-rooms flat in a good area of Vienna?

      Vielen dank :)
  • 10 Antworten
    • durrian
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      Dabei seit: 07.03.2009 Beiträge: 976
      Onlinepoker is illegal in Austria except the local lottery win2day where theres only microstakes and very few action,for sure not good enough to make a living.
      Its a grey marked, and its likely the operators will kick you out sooner or later, as they do already in Germany.
      Tax issues will follow the (disastrous) german development in my oppionion ,and i talked to a lawyer recently who shares my thinking.
      The live-games dry out in Austria ,especially in Vienna,due to horrendous rake (5% Cap 20 to 25).
      If you want to avoid trouble with tax and law,better go to Malta or England,Austria isnt a safe place anymore for
      Pros.
    • Swish29
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      Dabei seit: 06.04.2009 Beiträge: 263
      I asked on a Skype group as well, some German dude told me that it was fine and mentioned that Tim Stone is getting there:

      Now alot of people will ask "but where is teh moron moving to now exactly?"

      Vienna is teh answer for that. Why Vienna would be a new poast itself probably but i try to make it short. For once it's a very safe place in case of taxation as a pokerplayer in europe.
      http://pokercanchangeyourlife.blogspot.com/

      So you believe that he is completely wrong? I'm quite surprised by your post btw, I head many Germans went there in order to not pay taxes :(
    • schoe01
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      Dabei seit: 21.09.2009 Beiträge: 741
      I am living in Vienna and it's the place to be ... and to poker ... in Europe.

      I can play on PS.eu and there are about 160.000 people, so there is enough traffic ...

      The online gambling thing here is not regulated in austria, just the casino thing.

      You can play live or online without paying taxes. POINT.
    • feinheit
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      Dabei seit: 07.04.2008 Beiträge: 4.277
      Original von Swish29
      What is the price range of a 2-rooms flat in a good area of Vienna?
      about 700 - 1200€ monthly for 50-70 m2
    • Swish29
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      Dabei seit: 06.04.2009 Beiträge: 263
      Original von feinheit
      Original von Swish29
      What is the price range of a 2-rooms flat in a good area of Vienna?
      about 700 - 1200€ monthly for 50-70 m2
      Danke schön.

      Original von schoe01
      I am living in Vienna and it's the place to be ... and to poker ... in Europe.

      I can play on PS.eu and there are about 160.000 people, so there is enough traffic ...

      The online gambling thing here is not regulated in austria, just the casino thing.

      You can play live or online without paying taxes. POINT.
      So you're basically saying the opposite of durrian... it's the same on 2p2, I saw a forum threads with two guys disagreeing, but being strongly convinced about their opinions. Ich weiss nicht was ich machen muss :(
    • durrian
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      Dabei seit: 07.03.2009 Beiträge: 976
      Its a save(and great) place FOR THE MOMENT,and i love to live in Austria,but i would bet against it is still in 5 years.Austrian government has the habbit of follwing german laws(especially the bad ones) with a delay of 5-10 years.Onlinegambling is regulated, but its still a grey market,its far from sure you can continue playing from Austria longterm (means several years).
      Anyway i planning to leave Austria longterm into asian direction if that helps you,i already bought a house there.So you can bet i have my reasons for this move.
      If you plan longterm, i do NOT recommend any german speaking country.
    • Swish29
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      Dabei seit: 06.04.2009 Beiträge: 263
      Original von durrian
      If you plan longterm, i do NOT recommend any german speaking country.
      Luxembourg and Switzerland may be good for a while though :D

      But basically you're telling me that things are fine for now and that a few years from now that will change. This leads to another question: if in 2020 it is decided that poker players have to pay taxes, could it be that the tax authorities will also decide to tax people's winnings from before 2020? Because if it's fine for a few years and then I have to leave that's okay with me. Vienna seems awesome, and I really would like to learn German, I have some personal history with that language, and on top of that it's the "natively" most spoken language in Europe. I haven't been too much around this part of Europe so I really would enjoy being there for a bit.
    • pici111
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      Dabei seit: 22.01.2010 Beiträge: 155
      Hi guys, I just can say, Vienna is a great place to be, esp. to spend a few years there. Regarding your question about taxing winnings of a former time period, there is a fundamental right in Austria, that says no penalty without a law. I'm not a lawyer, but I'm sure it is totally unlikly this would happen.
    • DebtsNBooze
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      Dabei seit: 07.10.2010 Beiträge: 180
      There's a reason why the German highrollers like Ole Schemion, Martin Finger etc. move to Austria. ATM it's one of the best places to live for a pro for sure, and I can't see this changing in the next 5+ years.
    • feinheit
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      Dabei seit: 07.04.2008 Beiträge: 4.277
      + Pius Heinz + Mannig Löser + Thomas Mühlöcker +Kilian Kramer + Gerald Karlic

      interview with mannig about why he moved to vienna
      http://www.pokerzeit.com/manig-loeser-wien-eine-der-attraktivsten-poker-stadte-europas-50286