Zu weak für 0.5/1?

    • bonifaz
      bonifaz
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      Dabei seit: 19.11.2005 Beiträge: 1.149
      Soeben habe ich eine geile -60BB Session auf gut 300 Hände hinter mir, in der einfach gar nichts ging. Das alte Lied, welche Hände wie baden gingen singe ich jetzt mal nicht.

      Gut, kommt vor- aber nachdem ich jetzt nach 6,6k gespielten Händen auf 0.5/1 ein kleines aber feines Minus-Wachstum verzeichnen kann, würde ich Euch um die Beurteilung meiner Stats bitten. Sprich: ich will nicht rumheulen sondern einfach kleine und große leaks finden, die in allen Größen vorhanden sein werden :baby:

      Ebenso von Händen aus dieser Session, die ich noch nachträglich poste, weil ich dazu heute keine Lust mehr habe.

      Angemerkt sei noch, daß ich kein pt/pa benutze und das Feature von PokerManager derart besch... ist und nur beim Spielen stört. Hilft außerdem auch nicht weiter, wenn man schlecht spielt ;)

      Preflop treffe ich meine Entscheidungen nach SHC, ORC, 3-betting vs ORC, sowie call raise in der BB nach einer Tabelle von sholvar.

      Postflop halte ich mich wissentlich an die Artikel aus Anfänger- und Fortgeschrittenenforum und wenn ich mal nicht weiter weiß, dann hilft mir der "raise any"-button schon darüber hinweg :P

      Stats 0.5/1:

      Hands: 6633
      VP$IP: 17,3
      PFR: 9,7
      Bet/Call: 3,11
      Steal: 26%
      SB Robbed: 83
      BB Robbed: 73
      Win WSF: 40
      WtSD: 31
      Win SD: 58


      [img][IMG]https://img258.imageshack.us/img258/9222/0513as.th.jpg[/IMG][/img]


      Vielleicht findet sich auch gleich mal ein Schwerpunkt-Thema für passende Beispielhände?

      Meine BR liegt zwar noch bei rund 240 $, ich denke aber dennoch ernsthaft über einen Wechsel auf 0.25/0.50 nach, weil mich zZ auf 0.5/1 überhaupt nicht mehr wohl fühle.


      Danke für konstruktive Kritik!
  • 6 Antworten
    • Schmette
      Schmette
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      Dabei seit: 11.02.2006 Beiträge: 5.252
      Finde deine Stats gar nicht schlecht. Außer das mit dem raise any button (wenn es ernst gemeint war) solltest du lassen. Das kann ein normaler Down sein. Hinzukommt das 6,6k Hände leider nicht aussagekräftig sind. Ich würde noch auf dem Limit spieln bis mir das BRM was anderes sagt. Wenn du dich jedoch unwohl fühlst, kannste ruhig wieder runtergehen und dein Selbstvertrauen wieder aufbauen.
    • TheDna
      TheDna
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      Cool wo is die BB tabelle von sholvar ? :P
    • bonifaz
      bonifaz
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      Dabei seit: 19.11.2005 Beiträge: 1.149
      @Schmette

      das mit dem "raise any button" war natürlich nicht ernst gemeint ;)

      Ich will das Ganze ja noch nicht mal als Downswing bezeichen- ein IMO ohnehin viel zu oft mißbrauchter Begriff. Nur habe ich den Eindruck, daß der Verlust nicht auf Pech sondern eher auf schlechtes Spiel zurückzuführen ist, auch wenn meine Hände gesten schon scheinbar systematisch 2nd-best waren.

      @TheDna

      guckst Du hier:

      Basis Wissen/Fortgeschrittene/Der Einsatz von Pokerstove 1.1

      3.) Das Chart "Big Blind vs any open raiser"

      Da ich ja ohne pt/pa arbeitete, nehme ich die PFR-Einschätzung je nach Beobachtung des Gegners vor- aber insgesamt halte ich es auch hier lieber ein bißchen tighter.
    • bonifaz
      bonifaz
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      Dabei seit: 19.11.2005 Beiträge: 1.149
      Part 1


      # Hand 1#

      Party Poker 0.50/1 Hold'em (9 handed) Hand History Converter Tool from FlopTurnRiver.com (Format: 2+2 Forums)

      Preflop: Hero is UTG with Q:diamond: , Q:spade: .
      [color:#CC3333]Hero raises[/color], [color:#666666]3 folds[/color], [color:#CC3333]MP3 3-bets[/color], [color:#666666]4 folds[/color], [color:#CC3333]Hero caps[/color], MP3 calls.

      Flop: (9.50 SB) 2:heart: , A:heart: , 7:diamond: [color:#0000FF](2 players)[/color]
      [color:#CC3333]Hero bets[/color], MP3 calls.

      Turn: (5.75 BB) A:spade: [color:#0000FF](2 players)[/color]
      [color:#CC3333]Hero bets[/color], [color:#CC3333]MP3 raises[/color], Hero folds.

      Final Pot: 8.75 BB


      # Hand 2 #

      Party Poker 0.50/1 Hold'em (9 handed) Hand History Converter Tool from FlopTurnRiver.com (Format: 2+2 Forums)

      Preflop: Hero is BB with 8:spade: , 8:diamond: .
      [color:#666666]3 folds[/color], [color:#CC3333]MP2 raises[/color], [color:#666666]4 folds[/color], Hero calls.

      Flop: (4.50 SB) 7:spade: , T:diamond: , 7:club: [color:#0000FF](2 players)[/color]
      Hero checks, [color:#CC3333]MP2 bets[/color], [color:#CC3333]Hero raises[/color], MP2 calls.

      Turn: (4.25 BB) 9:club: [color:#0000FF](2 players)[/color]
      [color:#CC3333]Hero bets[/color], MP2 calls.

      River: (6.25 BB) 5:club: [color:#0000FF](2 players)[/color]
      Hero checks, [color:#CC3333]MP2 bets[/color], Hero calls.

      Final Pot: 8.25 BB


      # Hand 3 #

      Party Poker 0.50/1 Hold'em (9 handed) Hand History Converter Tool from FlopTurnRiver.com (Format: 2+2 Forums)

      Preflop: Hero is MP3 with 9:spade: , 9:heart: . UTG posts a blind of $0.50.
      [color:#666666]1 fold[/color], MP1 calls, [color:#666666]1 fold[/color], Hero calls, [color:#666666]1 fold[/color], Button calls, SB completes, UTG (poster) checks.

      Flop: (5 SB) 3:heart: , 6:club: , 8:diamond: [color:#0000FF](6 players)[/color]
      SB checks, UTG checks, [color:#CC3333]MP1 bets[/color], [color:#CC3333]Hero raises[/color], Button folds, SB folds, UTG folds, MP1 calls.

      Turn: (4.50 BB) J:heart: [color:#0000FF](3 players)[/color]
      MP1 checks, [color:#CC3333]Hero bets[/color], MP1 calls.

      River: (6.50 BB) J:spade: [color:#0000FF](3 players)[/color]
      MP1 checks, Hero checks.

      Final Pot: 6.50 BB


      # Hand 4 #

      Party Poker 0.50/1 Hold'em (8 handed) Hand History Converter Tool from FlopTurnRiver.com (Format: 2+2 Forums)

      Preflop: Hero is SB with 9:diamond: , 8:club: .
      [color:#666666]6 folds[/color], [color:#CC3333]Hero raises[/color], BB calls.

      Flop: (4 SB) Q:spade: , 8:spade: , 5:club: [color:#0000FF](2 players)[/color]
      [color:#CC3333]Hero bets[/color], BB calls.

      Turn: (3 BB) 3:diamond: [color:#0000FF](2 players)[/color]
      [color:#CC3333]Hero bets[/color], BB calls.

      River: (5 BB) J:spade: [color:#0000FF](2 players)[/color]
      Hero checks, [color:#CC3333]BB bets[/color], Hero calls.

      Final Pot: 7 BB


      # Hand 5 #

      Party Poker 0.50/1 Hold'em (8 handed) Hand History Converter Tool from FlopTurnRiver.com (Format: 2+2 Forums)

      Preflop: Hero is Button with A:club: , J:club: .
      [color:#666666]1 fold[/color], UTG+1 calls, [color:#666666]1 fold[/color], MP2 calls, [color:#666666]1 fold[/color], [color:#CC3333]Hero raises[/color], SB calls, [color:#666666]1 fold[/color], UTG+1 folds, MP2 calls.

      Flop: (8 SB) 5:club: , K:heart: , Q:spade: [color:#0000FF](3 players)[/color]
      SB checks, MP2 checks, [color:#CC3333]Hero bets[/color], SB calls, MP2 calls.

      Turn: (5.50 BB) K:spade: [color:#0000FF](3 players)[/color]
      SB checks, MP2 checks, Hero checks.

      River: (5.50 BB) 9:diamond: [color:#0000FF](3 players)[/color]
      SB checks, MP2 checks, Hero checks.

      Final Pot: 5.50 BB


      # Hand 6 #

      Party Poker 0.50/1 Hold'em (9 handed) Hand History Converter Tool from FlopTurnRiver.com (Format: 2+2 Forums)

      Preflop: Hero is MP1 with Q:diamond: , A:diamond: .
      [color:#666666]1 fold[/color], [color:#CC3333]UTG+1 raises[/color], Hero calls, [color:#666666]6 folds[/color].

      Flop: (5.50 SB) T:spade: , 6:club: , 7:heart: [color:#0000FF](2 players)[/color]
      [color:#CC3333]UTG+1 bets[/color], Hero calls.

      Turn: (3.75 BB) 4:spade: [color:#0000FF](2 players)[/color]
      [color:#CC3333]UTG+1 bets[/color], Hero folds.

      Final Pot: 4.75 BB


      # Hand 7 #

      Party Poker 0.50/1 Hold'em (9 handed) Hand History Converter Tool from FlopTurnRiver.com (Format: 2+2 Forums)

      Preflop: Hero is BB with K:spade: , K:diamond: .
      [color:#CC3333]UTG raises[/color], UTG+1 calls, [color:#666666]5 folds[/color], SB calls, [color:#CC3333]Hero 3-bets[/color], UTG calls, UTG+1 calls, SB calls.

      Flop: (12 SB) 3:club: , J:spade: , J:heart: [color:#0000FF](4 players)[/color]
      SB checks, [color:#CC3333]Hero bets[/color], UTG calls, UTG+1 calls, SB folds.

      Turn: (7.50 BB) 6:heart: [color:#0000FF](3 players)[/color]
      [color:#CC3333]Hero bets[/color], [color:#CC3333]UTG raises[/color], UTG+1 folds, Hero folds.

      Final Pot: 10.50 BB


      # Hand 8 #

      Party Poker 0.50/1 Hold'em (7 handed) Hand History Converter Tool from FlopTurnRiver.com (Format: 2+2 Forums)

      Preflop: Hero is MP2 with J:spade: , A:club: .
      [color:#666666]2 folds[/color], [color:#CC3333]Hero raises[/color], [color:#666666]1 fold[/color], Button calls, [color:#666666]2 folds[/color].

      Flop: (5.50 SB) 3:club: , T:diamond: , Q:club: [color:#0000FF](2 players)[/color]
      [color:#CC3333]Hero bets[/color], [color:#CC3333]Button raises[/color], Hero calls.

      Turn: (4.75 BB) Q:heart: [color:#0000FF](2 players)[/color]
      Hero checks, [color:#CC3333]Button bets[/color], Hero folds.

      Final Pot: 5.75 BB


      # Hand 9 #

      Party Poker 0.50/1 Hold'em (6 handed) Hand History Converter Tool from FlopTurnRiver.com (Format: 2+2 Forums)

      Preflop: Hero is UTG with A:club: , Q:heart: .
      [color:#CC3333]Hero raises[/color], [color:#666666]1 fold[/color], CO calls, [color:#666666]3 folds[/color].

      Flop: (5.50 SB) T:diamond: , 4:heart: , 7:heart: [color:#0000FF](2 players)[/color]
      [color:#CC3333]Hero bets[/color], [color:#CC3333]CO raises[/color], Hero calls.

      Turn: (4.75 BB) 9:heart: [color:#0000FF](2 players)[/color]
      Hero checks, [color:#CC3333]CO bets[/color], Hero calls.

      River: (6.75 BB) 2:heart: [color:#0000FF](2 players)[/color]
      Hero checks, [color:#CC3333]CO bets[/color], [color:#CC3333]Hero raises[/color], CO calls.

      Final Pot: 10.75 BB


      # Hand 10 #

      Party Poker 0.50/1 Hold'em (6 handed) Hand History Converter Tool from FlopTurnRiver.com (Format: 2+2 Forums)

      Preflop: Hero is SB with 7:heart: , 7:diamond: .
      [color:#666666]1 fold[/color], MP calls, [color:#666666]2 folds[/color], [color:#CC3333]Hero raises[/color], [color:#666666]1 fold[/color], MP calls.

      Flop: (5 SB) 8:spade: , 8:diamond: , 8:club: [color:#0000FF](2 players)[/color]
      [color:#CC3333]Hero bets[/color], [color:#CC3333]MP raises[/color], [color:#CC3333]Hero 3-bets[/color], [color:#CC3333]MP caps[/color], Hero calls.

      Turn: (6.50 BB) 2:club: [color:#0000FF](2 players)[/color]
      Hero checks, [color:#CC3333]MP bets[/color], Hero calls.

      River: (8.50 BB) 4:spade: [color:#0000FF](2 players)[/color]
      Hero checks, MP checks.

      Final Pot: 8.50 BB


      # Hand 11 #

      Party Poker 0.50/1 Hold'em (8 handed) Hand History Converter Tool from FlopTurnRiver.com (Format: 2+2 Forums)

      Preflop: Hero is MP1 with K:diamond: , K:spade: .
      [color:#CC3333]UTG raises[/color], [color:#666666]1 fold[/color], [color:#CC3333]Hero 3-bets[/color], [color:#666666]5 folds[/color], [color:#CC3333]UTG caps[/color], Hero calls.

      Flop: (9.50 SB) 9:heart: , 8:diamond: , 6:diamond: [color:#0000FF](2 players)[/color]
      [color:#CC3333]UTG bets[/color], Hero calls.

      Turn: (5.75 BB) T:spade: [color:#0000FF](2 players)[/color]
      [color:#CC3333]UTG bets[/color], [color:#CC3333]Hero raises[/color], UTG calls.

      River: (9.75 BB) 4:diamond: [color:#0000FF](2 players)[/color]
      UTG checks, Hero checks.

      Final Pot: 9.75 BB
    • suru
      suru
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      Dabei seit: 23.05.2005 Beiträge: 3.735
      1) call ich runter
      2) spiel ich auch so
      3) valuebet am river
      4) b/f c/c am river kommt wahrscheinlich in etwa aufs gleiche raus
      5) der king ist so scary da bette ich auch nochmal den turn
      6) obwohls im SHC steht nen coldcall da ist muell :D
      7) calldown
      8) jo
      9) jo
      10) jo
      11) valuebet am river
    • bonifaz
      bonifaz
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      Dabei seit: 19.11.2005 Beiträge: 1.149
      Vielen Dank suru :)

      Wegen dem cold call bei 6) - 3bet gegen UTG+1 fühle ich mich nicht so wohl ohne Stats. fold preflop?

      Part 2

      # Hand 12 #

      Party Poker 0.50/1 Hold'em (9 handed) Hand History Converter Tool from FlopTurnRiver.com (Format: 2+2 Forums)

      Preflop: Hero is UTG+1 with 6:diamond: , 6:spade: .
      [color:#666666]1 fold[/color], Hero calls, MP1 calls, [color:#666666]1 fold[/color], MP3 calls, [color:#666666]3 folds[/color], BB checks.

      Flop: (4.50 SB) 2:club: , 8:club: , Q:heart: [color:#0000FF](4 players)[/color]
      BB checks, Hero checks, MP1 checks, MP3 checks.

      Turn: (2.25 BB) 7:club: [color:#0000FF](4 players)[/color]
      BB checks, Hero checks, MP1 checks, MP3 checks.

      River: (2.25 BB) 3:spade: [color:#0000FF](4 players)[/color]
      BB checks, Hero checks, MP1 checks, [color:#CC3333]MP3 bets[/color], BB folds, Hero folds, MP1 folds.

      Final Pot: 3.25 BB


      # Hand 13 #

      Party Poker 0.50/1 Hold'em (9 handed) Hand History Converter Tool from FlopTurnRiver.com (Format: 2+2 Forums)

      Preflop: Hero is BB with 4:spade: , 8:club: .
      [color:#666666]2 folds[/color], MP1 calls, [color:#666666]5 folds[/color], Hero checks.

      Flop: (2.50 SB) 9:heart: , Q:club: , 7:spade: [color:#0000FF](2 players)[/color]
      [color:#CC3333]Hero bets[/color], MP1 calls.

      Turn: (2.25 BB) 5:heart: [color:#0000FF](2 players)[/color]
      [color:#CC3333]Hero bets[/color], MP1 calls.

      River: (4.25 BB) J:heart: [color:#0000FF](2 players)[/color]
      Hero checks, [color:#CC3333]MP1 bets[/color], Hero folds.

      Final Pot: 5.25 BB


      # Hand 14 #

      Party Poker 0.50/1 Hold'em (9 handed) Hand History Converter Tool from FlopTurnRiver.com (Format: 2+2 Forums)

      Preflop: Hero is SB with T:heart: , A:heart: .
      [color:#666666]1 fold[/color], UTG+1 calls, [color:#666666]5 folds[/color], [color:#CC3333]Hero raises[/color], [color:#666666]1 fold[/color], UTG+1 calls.

      Flop: (5 SB) 6:club: , 4:diamond: , T:diamond: [color:#0000FF](2 players)[/color]
      [color:#CC3333]Hero bets[/color], UTG+1 calls.

      Turn: (3.50 BB) 5:heart: [color:#0000FF](2 players)[/color]
      [color:#CC3333]Hero bets[/color], UTG+1 calls.

      River: (5.50 BB) J:diamond: [color:#0000FF](2 players)[/color]
      Hero checks, [color:#CC3333]UTG+1 bets[/color], Hero calls.

      Final Pot: 7.50 BB


      # Hand 15 #

      Party Poker 0.50/1 Hold'em (8 handed) Hand History Converter Tool from FlopTurnRiver.com (Format: 2+2 Forums)

      Preflop: Hero is SB with K:diamond: , 6:diamond: .
      [color:#666666]6 folds[/color], [color:#CC3333]Hero raises[/color], BB calls.

      Flop: (4 SB) K:heart: , 8:heart: , J:club: [color:#0000FF](2 players)[/color]
      [color:#CC3333]Hero bets[/color], BB calls.

      Turn: (3 BB) T:diamond: [color:#0000FF](2 players)[/color]
      [color:#CC3333]Hero bets[/color], BB calls.

      River: (5 BB) A:diamond: [color:#0000FF](2 players)[/color]
      Hero checks, [color:#CC3333]BB bets[/color], Hero calls.

      Final Pot: 7 BB


      # Hand 16 #

      Party Poker 0.50/1 Hold'em (10 handed) Hand History Converter Tool from FlopTurnRiver.com (Format: 2+2 Forums)

      Preflop: Hero is MP1 with T:diamond: , A:diamond: .
      [color:#666666]3 folds[/color], [color:#CC3333]Hero raises[/color], [color:#666666]2 folds[/color], [color:#CC3333]CO 3-bets[/color], [color:#666666]3 folds[/color], Hero calls.

      Flop: (7.50 SB) 5:diamond: , 4:heart: , J:spade: [color:#0000FF](2 players)[/color]
      Hero checks, CO checks.

      Turn: (3.75 BB) 7:heart: [color:#0000FF](2 players)[/color]
      Hero checks, [color:#CC3333]CO bets[/color], Hero folds.

      Final Pot: 4.75 BB


      # Hand 17 #

      Party Poker 0.50/1 Hold'em (9 handed) Hand History Converter Tool from FlopTurnRiver.com (Format: 2+2 Forums)

      Preflop: Hero is UTG with K:club: , A:diamond: .
      [color:#CC3333]Hero raises[/color], [color:#666666]4 folds[/color], [color:#CC3333]CO 3-bets[/color], [color:#666666]3 folds[/color], [color:#CC3333]Hero caps[/color], CO calls.

      Flop: (9.50 SB) 4:club: , J:spade: , T:club: [color:#0000FF](2 players)[/color]
      [color:#CC3333]Hero bets[/color], [color:#CC3333]CO raises[/color], Hero calls.

      Turn: (6.75 BB) 9:diamond: [color:#0000FF](2 players)[/color]
      Hero checks, [color:#CC3333]CO bets[/color], Hero folds.

      Final Pot: 7.75 BB


      # Hand 18 #

      Party Poker 0.50/1 Hold'em (9 handed) Hand History Converter Tool from FlopTurnRiver.com (Format: 2+2 Forums)

      Preflop: Hero is Button with K:diamond: , 7:diamond: .
      [color:#666666]6 folds[/color], [color:#CC3333]Hero raises[/color], [color:#666666]1 fold[/color], BB calls.

      Flop: (4.50 SB) 8:diamond: , 2:heart: , 2:spade: [color:#0000FF](2 players)[/color]
      BB checks, [color:#CC3333]Hero bets[/color], BB calls.

      Turn: (3.25 BB) 5:club: [color:#0000FF](2 players)[/color]
      BB checks, Hero checks.

      River: (3.25 BB) T:club: [color:#0000FF](2 players)[/color]
      BB checks, Hero checks.

      Final Pot: 3.25 BB