Townsend vs Antonius @ FullTilt Million Dollar Cashgame

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    • Sh1LLa
      Sh1LLa
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      Dabei seit: 14.08.2006 Beiträge: 7.591
      boa kotzen, die kommentatoren sind so schlecht ...
    • Dodekahedron
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      Dabei seit: 05.04.2007 Beiträge: 5.818
      donks
    • Guennilicous
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      Dabei seit: 16.09.2006 Beiträge: 7.818
      phil ivey @ minute 7:00 :D
    • IcETuE
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      Dabei seit: 20.04.2006 Beiträge: 745
      joooo dacht ich mir auch grad :D
    • kobeyard
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      lol wie scheiße war das bitte gespielt? omg
    • Kendo
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      Dabei seit: 15.02.2006 Beiträge: 2.301
      also ehrlich gesagt: wars von beiden recht gut gespielt.

      townsend weis um sein aggro image und wird auf dem board so oft 3barreln, also macht er das auch am mit der queen.

      antonius kennt nun wieder auch das aggro image von townsend und nutz das ganze aus.


      den c/r am river zu callen ist zwar marginal, aber ich denke er wird so schon recht häufig nen bluff gegen sich gecatched haben.
    • KevinhoStar
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      Dabei seit: 22.02.2006 Beiträge: 5.845
      ich hab die sendung noch nicht gesehen, aber ich denke es geht um diese hand? (aus townsends blog)

      The first hand occurred between Patrik Antonius and myself. I am going to be looking like a huge donkey on TV and everyone at the studio was totally befuddled by the call I made. The only person who thought it was reasonable was Patrik but he may have just been saying that to be kind to me. I know I do that to others when they play poorly but don't want to tell them. Anyways...

      Phil Ivey limped UTG followed by Patrik at 300/600 blinds with 100 ante. I had a little over 200K in front of me and Patrik covered. Phil will often limp re raise but he was sick/bored and not playing his A game on the show. So I raised with QJo to 3600. Everyone folded including Phil. Patrik called the 3600 and the two of us took the flop with about 8K in the pot. Patrik was playing well but very very loose preflop. he had previously defended a cutoff raise with 92s. So I figured his range was incredibly wide.

      The flop came down Q56 rainbow. He checked and I bet about the pot at 7500. He thought a bit and called. When he just called I figured he had a middle pair type of hand. He was making alot of loose flop calls in and out of position so I didn't give him to much credit for a monster hand. I felt that it was very likely I had the best hand.

      The turn came the king of hearts making two hearts with the Q and K. Again he checked. I often check in spots like these since its really tough to figure out what the correct decision is with stacks being this deep if raised. I would guess Patrik has some inkling of this so I opted to fire again to vary my play. I bet about 20K which he called. The pot now contained ~60K.

      The river brought a four which didn't complete the heart flush draw. Again he checked. I thought a bit and felt I had the best hand and opted to extract value from a six. Patrik likes to make calls and I felt there was value in the bet. I bet 40K and he thought for about 2 min. He then grabbed his 25K black chips and check raised me to 150K.

      I instantly cussed. I was so sick. Getting check raised on the river with second pair is never fun, especially from someone tricky like Patrik who you can't just fold against. After cussing I began thinking about the hand. First thought I had was does he have the nut straight. I thougth a bit and decided no he didn't. My logic is he would have raised the flop or tun since he wouldn't want to show down 78 out of position if I were bluffing with something as little as jack high. He would want to move me off those hands at some point. We were also very deep so he could put a lot of pressure on my by a flop or turn raise. Also the flop has a great texture for him to semi bluff since its very unlikely I will 3 bet a check raise since the flop is relatively dry. I would trap with three queens and with aces I wouldn't want to get it all in with us both having 200K effective stacks.

      Nest question does he have a set or KQ? The 78 logic took me about a minute to work through and I almost instantly dismissed a set or KQ as I felt he would have raised somewhere before the river. We had 200K stacks and with those hands he wants to get all the money into the middle. I felt he would want to build the pot at some point. One other possibility was he rivered a set of 4's but even Patrik as loose as he is probably would have dumped two 4's if not on the flop defiantly by the turn.

      So what did he have? I spend about a minute thinking about that as well. I felt a very likely hand was A6 type of hand as well as 67 of hearts or something along those lines. he may have thought he had the best hand on the flop and turn or had a lot of outs to improve if behind. Then on the river he could have correctly read me for being weak and decided to turn his six into a bluff to move me off a one pair hand.

      From this logic I couldn't think of a hand I was losing to so after a few minutes I decided to call. I put in the 6 25K black chips and I hear the worst words ever "I have a set". I was even sicker than when he had check raised me. I had completely mis analysed the hand and almost instantly dismissed the hand he had. I thought there was less than a 1% chance he had a set with how the hand played out. I think my call is a very weak one if he is check raising the river with KQ and set type of hands. What can I say, I made a decision based on my previous play with him and did the best I could in the situation. I think the most marginal decision in the hand came on the turn when I opted to bet 20K. I think I should have checked there and that is my standard line but I opted to fire instead. I have to give Patrik a lot of credit as he played the hand very well. He trapped me for the maximum. He extracted max value from me by playing a hand in a deceptive manner. All I can take from the hand is the experience and when playing with him in the future I will have a better estimation of his ranges.
    • atuerke
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      Original von kobeyard85
      lol wie scheiße war das bitte gespielt? omg
      Das gibt mir echt Hoffnung dich im NL Headsup so richtig zu crushen :D
    • Sh1LLa
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      ja, das is genau die hand kevinho. interessant zu hören, naja, die spielen halt ungefähr drölf levels über mir (uns? ^^). aber ich dachte 100pro dass er den river checkt wenn er sich sicher ist, dass er gut ist.. :) naja
    • kobeyard
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      wenigstens schreibt er, dass er den turn normal behind checkt, weil das hätte ich in 100% der fälle getan!
    • Nichtschwimmer
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      Dabei seit: 19.02.2007 Beiträge: 6.974
      Erinnert mich an http://forumserver.twoplustwo.com/showthread.php?t=659

      Gute Diskussion. Villain ist wahrscheinlich auch PA.
    • Sh1LLa
      Sh1LLa
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      Original von kobeyard85
      wenigstens schreibt er, dass er den turn normal behind checkt, weil das hätte ich in 100% der fälle getan!
      das versteh ich noch eher weil er da wohl light gecallt wird weil K *SCARE* 2ndbarrel etc.
    • Denz
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      Original von kobeyard85
      wenigstens schreibt er, dass er den turn normal behind checkt, weil das hätte ich in 100% der fälle getan!
      lol

      zur Hand: finde die dünne value bet von brian eigentlich gut...aber glaube nicht das man den raise von Antonius wirklich callen kann. Warum sollte Antonius denken er könne profitabel bluff raisen?
      Brian kann sehr sehr viele Hände halten die er auf einen riverraise niemals fodlen würde..das weiss Patrick von daher is der riverraise imho sehr sehr oft ein value raise.
    • praios
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      Dabei seit: 30.07.2006 Beiträge: 7.416
      imo schlechte river bet und noch schlechterer c/r call
    • praios
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      Dabei seit: 30.07.2006 Beiträge: 7.416
      http://www.cardrunners.com/members/index.php?option=com_mamblog&Itemid=29&task=show&action=user&id=1617&ignorecount=1

      20september

      da erklärt er sein spiel
    • helgeman
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      Original von praios
      http://www.cardrunners.com/members/index.php?option=com_mamblog&Itemid=29&task=show&action=user&id=1617&ignorecount=1

      20september

      da erklärt er sein spiel

      no reading skillz obv
    • Jan1000
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      tjoah hab mich auch gewundert in dem moment, wo ich das gesehn hab, allerdings sind das halt alles individuelle reads und sie haben nicht zum 1 mal gegeneinander gespielt.

      ggf hat townsend gedacht, dass seine turnbarrel ziemlich nach air aussieht, da er hier ja normal mit ner q nicht unbedingt valuebetten würde und der K ja schon ne gewisse scarecard is- und ihn antonius deshalb am river raised, da er mit nem midpocket 2 barrels gecalled hat und am river doch merkt dass townsend wohl vorn wär.

      wohl alles bissel overthought, aber die werden schon gewisse reads/history haben
    • atuerke
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      Das ist nicht overthought, sondern Brians Gedanke, wenn du dir das durchliest :)
    • Nichtschwimmer
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      Dabei seit: 19.02.2007 Beiträge: 6.974
      bt/pa kennen sich laut eigenen aussagen so gut wie sonst niemand und haben so unglaublich viel history, dass sie ziemlich sicke/ungewöhnliche lines nehmen müssen