Fuer foldforfisch (who doesnt want to reply now)

    • veeRtje
      veeRtje
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      Dabei seit: 14.07.2006 Beiträge: 203
      Known players: (for a description of vp$ip, pfr, ats, folded bb, af, wts, wsd or hands click here)    
      Position:
      Stack
      Hero:
      $120.31
      BU:
      $163.58

      0.50/1 No-Limit Hold'em (6 handed)
      Hand recorder used for this poker hand: Texas Grabem 1.9 by www.pokerstrategy.com.

      Preflop: Hero is MP2 with K:club: , A:heart:
      Hero raises to $4.00, 2 folds, BU calls $4.00, 2 folds.

      Flop: ($9.50) A:diamond: , 4:spade: , 3:club: (2 players)
      Hero checks, BU checks.

      Turn: ($9.50) A:club: (2 players)
      Hero bets $6.50, BU calls $6.50.

      River: ($22.50) T:diamond: (2 players)
      Hero bets $16, BU folds.

      Final Pot: $38.50

      So I'm posting this hand because foldforfisch told me that this line is a bad line for every possible hand. With which I obviously don't agree.
      This might not have been the best line for my hand. But for a hand like ATo it's a good line.

      There are 3 reasons to check this flop when OOP.

      1. Line balancing. If you don't want Cbet every dry A high flop OOP
      You have to also check some strong hands so your opponent won't know you're weak when checking the flop.

      2. This might help you get more value.
      Your opponent might bluff at the pot, or hit a pair on the turn to pay you off.

      3. This will keep pots smaller, which is a good thing when ur OOP.

      I know this is not a play pokerstrategy advices, and i'm not saying its the only way to play, just that it is a possible way to play a flop like that vs a TAG.

      Not that its really important but I learned this play from a dutch high stakes cashgame player: TheCleaner11

      So tell me what u guys think about it.
      Remember its not about the cards I had but about the play in general for any kind of hand.
  • 8 Antworten
    • Twirex
      Twirex
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      Dabei seit: 29.08.2006 Beiträge: 3.525
      1st
    • hally
      hally
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      Dabei seit: 08.11.2006 Beiträge: 1.358
      wer is eigentlich dieser foldforfish donk..?? ich war drauf und dran nur an seine tables zu gehen, weil der so schön rumsplasht... :heart: :heart: :heart:
    • MiiWiin
      MiiWiin
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      Dabei seit: 01.03.2007 Beiträge: 64.649
      When you think you can balancing your lines, its possible to check on this Flop. But when you`re the Preflop Aggressor, its the standard play that you make your continuation bet. But you don`t have to.

      When you´re consequent, you can check this turn too, but the problem is when Villain checks behind. You want value from your strong hand. When you bet now, which worser hand should call? Maybe a worser hand would call the standard Flop-bet, but not this Turn.

      Same question at the river. You have to bet cause you`ve got a strong hand, but is there a hand that calls/raises which you have beat?


      I can understand your line and i don´t think it is a great mistake, but i like this line more versus a aggro bluffer when you`ve got a hand like ATo. Then i like c/c Flop, maybe c/c Turn in a form of way ahead/way behind.

      In this example i prefer bet Flop, bet Turn, push River.


      And sorry for my bad english.
    • tomsnho
      tomsnho
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      Dabei seit: 24.11.2006 Beiträge: 7.565
      Original von hally
      wer is eigentlich dieser foldforfish donk..?? ich war drauf und dran nur an seine tables zu gehen, weil der so schön rumsplasht... :heart: :heart: :heart:
      K.A. am Anfang hab ich gedacht ein harter und aggressiver TAG ... jetzt denk ich eher jemand mit ~TAG-Preflop-Stats und Maniac-Postflopspiel.

      Ich wunder mich immer noch was er in dieser Hand haben hätte können:
      Party Poker No-Limit Hold'em, $1 BB (6 handed) Party Poker Converter Tool from FlopTurnRiver.com (Format: ITH Forums)

      saw flop|saw showdown

      Button ($26.50)
      SB ($89.28)
      BB ($104.56)
      Hero ($117.32)
      MP ($122.62)
      CO ($159.08)

      Preflop: Hero is UTG with 9, 9.
      Hero raises to $3.8, 4 folds, BB calls $2.80.

      Flop: ($8.10) 7, Q, 5 (2 players)
      BB checks, Hero bets $6, BB raises to $20, Hero calls $14.

      Turn: ($48.10) 9 (2 players)
      BB bets $35, Hero calls $117.32 (All-In), BB folds.

      Final Pot: $200.42
      Main Pot: $200.42, returned to Hero.

      Results in white below:
      No showdown. Hero wins $200.42.
      Vielleicht bin ich einfach noch nicht reif für ein so aggro Spiel, aber am Turn mehr als seinen halben Stack reinballern und dann bei Widerstand folden kommt mir schon komisch vor. Gibt's irgendeine Hand mit der so wein Spiel Sinn macht?
    • Peter87
      Peter87
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      Dabei seit: 05.04.2006 Beiträge: 13.565
      ein bluff Oo
    • DaWyatt
      DaWyatt
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      Dabei seit: 10.04.2006 Beiträge: 3.434
      Tens, eights usw.
    • hally
      hally
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      Dabei seit: 08.11.2006 Beiträge: 1.358
      die cf am turn..^^

      ja sag ja. der splasht ziemlich rum...
    • MiiWiin
      MiiWiin
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      Dabei seit: 01.03.2007 Beiträge: 64.649
      Also viel mehr als einen Bluff sehe ich hier kaum. Schon eine sehr merwürdige line.