Antonius vs Townsend

    • Matzelinho89
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      http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zOaWj8_otYA&feature=related

      Ich ralle die calls von Townsend nicht.

      History und alles hin und her. Aber was kann er bitte schlagen?

      Soweit man das im Video sieht limp callt PA aus early und check raised den flop: Q56

      PA's Range mit der er das bis zum Ende knallhart durchzieht ist doch FAST IMMER so ca: 55, 66, 56, Q5s, Q6s, 78 ( kommt am river an ), alle Queens ( die er am Ende wohl nicht valuebettet ) wo Townsend auch meistens nur splittet.

      Vll. trappt er ihn noch mit QQ+ ( early limp und so )

      Also auf was zur Hölle gibt Townsend PA für eine Range? Gutshots? Schwächere Queens?

      Ich denke die starke Range ist viel wahrscheinlicher als die schwächere Range, die PA wohl auch nie so sick spielt mit check raise am river.

      Erzählt ihr mal...

      MfG
  • 12 Antworten
    • Matzelinho89
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      Im ersten Moment dachte ich dass Townsend vll dachte er hat KQ anstatt QJ. Das würde am meisten Sinn machen :D
    • Waaaghboss
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      was hatte denn townsend ??
    • Matzelinho89
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      QJ

      board: 56Q K 4 keine suits

      townsend bettet durch, antonius check raised river mit 66 und townsend callt
    • Matzelinho89
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      Ralle auch nicht wieso sich Townsend nicht den free showdown nimmt. Dafür bettet er doch eig u.a. den turn.

      Von was will er noch value? QT Q9 und so callt ihn doch niemals.

      draws gibts nicht viele ausser der angekommende OESD.

      Denke nicht dass PA nen gutter so durchcallt.
    • SirLuk
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      seine valuebet war halt schon sehr dünn, aber PA neigt ja am river schon zu Herocalls (siehe HSP). Der Raise am River polarisiert seine Range dann halt extrem, entweder ist es ein Bluff oder ein Monster, für Townsend ist es da imo ziemlich egal ob er QJ oder KQ hält
    • Tunnelblicker
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      Mit History ist das ganze doch super möglich. Wenn Townsend seine Bluffs hier so spielt muss er auch seine marginalen Hände so spielen, damit PA eine schwere Entscheidung mit 77-JJ und one pair Händen hat. Ansonsten ist seine range viel zu polarisiert und er hat es schwer diese zu balancen.
      Der Call ist dann für außenstehende natürlich sehr fragwürdig und eventuell auch mit History ein bisschen fragwürdig, aber wenn PA seine made Hands in bluffs turned, dann kann der call schon reasoning sein.
    • Matzelinho89
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      Aber wer auf der Welt gibt PA's mögliche made hands wie 77-JJ wenn er in early limpt?
    • Matzelinho89
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      Sagen wir Townsend gibt PA eine range von 77-JJ. Da macht doch eine bet garkeinen Sinn weil er doch nur riskiert geblufft zu werden und somit ne fiese Entscheidung treffen muss. Und ich halte es für fragwürdig ob er in 1000 Jahren einen call von diesen Händen bekommt. Weil auch halt nichts busted ist.
    • kingpowl
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      jo valuebet ist imo auch viiiiel zu dünn.

      naja, bt hat soviel ich weiss ne ellenlange rechtfertigung geschrieben damals, vll ist die noch auf cr oder so
    • doger23
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      Townsend ist schon nice aber wie geil ist denn bitteschön der check am river mit dem Set? Antonius find ich, hat da den richtigen Read auf Townsend und holt aus seinem set meiner Meinung nach noch verdammt viel Value raus. Weil der Checkraise auch vielleicht wie ein geiler Bluff aussehen könnte. Sehr geil gespielt von dem Patrick.
    • mojave
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      Das dachte ich mir auch ..

      Sbrugbys blog vom 20.9.07

      Phil Ivey limped UTG followed by Patrik at 300/600 blinds with 100 ante. I had a little over 200K in front of me and Patrik covered. Phil will often limp re raise but he was sick/bored and not playing his A game on the show. So I raised with QJo to 3600. Everyone folded including Phil. Patrik called the 3600 and the two of us took the flop with about 8K in the pot. Patrik was playing well but very very loose preflop. he had previously defended a cutoff raise with 92s. So I figured his range was incredibly wide.

      The flop came down Q56 rainbow. He checked and I bet about the pot at 7500. He thought a bit and called. When he just called I figured he had a middle pair type of hand. He was making alot of loose flop calls in and out of position so I didn't give him to much credit for a monster hand. I felt that it was very likely I had the best hand.

      The turn came the king of hearts making two hearts with the Q and K. Again he checked. I often check in spots like these since its really tough to figure out what the correct decision is with stacks being this deep if raised. I would guess Patrik has some inkling of this so I opted to fire again to vary my play. I bet about 20K which he called. The pot now contained ~60K.

      The river brought a four which didn't complete the heart flush draw. Again he checked. I thought a bit and felt I had the best hand and opted to extract value from a six. Patrik likes to make calls and I felt there was value in the bet. I bet 40K and he thought for about 2 min. He then grabbed his 25K black chips and check raised me to 150K.

      I instantly cussed. I was so sick. Getting check raised on the river with second pair is never fun, especially from someone tricky like Patrik who you can't just fold against. After cussing I began thinking about the hand. First thought I had was does he have the nut straight. I thougth a bit and decided no he didn't. My logic is he would have raised the flop or tun since he wouldn't want to show down 78 out of position if I were bluffing with something as little as jack high. He would want to move me off those hands at some point. We were also very deep so he could put a lot of pressure on my by a flop or turn raise. Also the flop has a great texture for him to semi bluff since its very unlikely I will 3 bet a check raise since the flop is relatively dry. I would trap with three queens and with aces I wouldn't want to get it all in with us both having 200K effective stacks.

      Nest question does he have a set or KQ? The 78 logic took me about a minute to work through and I almost instantly dismissed a set or KQ as I felt he would have raised somewhere before the river. We had 200K stacks and with those hands he wants to get all the money into the middle. I felt he would want to build the pot at some point. One other possibility was he rivered a set of 4's but even Patrik as loose as he is probably would have dumped two 4's if not on the flop defiantly by the turn.

      So what did he have? I spend about a minute thinking about that as well. I felt a very likely hand was A6 type of hand as well as 67 of hearts or something along those lines. he may have thought he had the best hand on the flop and turn or had a lot of outs to improve if behind. Then on the river he could have correctly read me for being weak and decided to turn his six into a bluff to move me off a one pair hand.

      From this logic I couldn't think of a hand I was losing to so after a few minutes I decided to call. I put in the 6 25K black chips and I hear the worst words ever "I have a set". I was even sicker than when he had check raised me. I had completely mis analysed the hand and almost instantly dismissed the hand he had. I thought there was less than a 1% chance he had a set with how the hand played out. I think my call is a very weak one if he is check raising the river with KQ and set type of hands. What can I say, I made a decision based on my previous play with him and did the best I could in the situation. I think the most marginal decision in the hand came on the turn when I opted to bet 20K. I think I should have checked there and that is my standard line but I opted to fire instead. I have to give Patrik a lot of credit as he played the hand very well. He trapped me for the maximum. He extracted max value from me by playing a hand in a deceptive manner. All I can take from the hand is the experience and when playing with him in the future I will have a better estimation of his ranges.
    • BobbyCooper1
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      Wow tolle Analyse :)

      Thinking level 155 oder wie :D